Tout Table: Short Season Strategies

Hey everyone, we’re back! Let’s jump right in with this week’s query:

Are you changing any general draft strategies compared to spring drafts?

Scott Engel (Rotoballer, @scotteTheKing): Yes, I am focusing more earlier on hitters with high batting averages and less on guys who strike out a lot. Cold streaks can be much more dangeous in a shortened season. I’ll risk the up and down tyoes later on. Also, I am going for more middle relievers late because some starters deeper in the rotations may be yanked quicker this year

Phil Hertz (BaseballHQ, @prhz50): Depends on whether it’s a keeper league or not. If it’s a keeper league, my decision will rest on whether I’ve got a really good core or not. If my roster doesn’t look like a winner, I’m going to draft for 2021. If it’s not a keeper league, aside from setting aside guys with known health issues, I’m going to draft as I usually do.

Brad Johnson (Patreon/BaseballATeam, @BaseballATeam): Absolutely. The most glaring is how I’ll approach closers. I usually trust myself to find a goodly chunk of my saves during the season. This year, I’ll aim to address as much as I can during the draft. I’ll also have a few daily moves leagues where I’ll experiment with avoiding premium starters.

Ryan Hallam (Fighting Chance Fantasy, @FightingChance): With so much uncertainty on pitching, I want to hit those few elite pitchers who I believe will be treated as usual after the first time around, and then after that going after value pitchers as I could see cycling pitchers a lot this season. Bullpens will be a big concern and managers might not have as long of a leash. I’d focus on the guys with rock solid holds on the job and not trying to find those fliers later in drafts

Tristan H. Cockcroft (ESPN, @SultanofStat): I’m not making any dramatic changes to my strategies, but I’ll be willing to take more chances, reaching for ceilings (especially the “innings-capped” pitchers who no longer are). We preach not to buy into small samples, but 2020 in itself is a small sample, and to win, we’re going to have to embrace a more reactionary approach. If some of my draft picks go bust, I’ll be more prepared to act more quickly on the waiver wire.

Tim McCullough (Baseball Prospectus, @TimsTenz): I’m emphazing hitting over pitching in the single-digit rounds and taking my chances with the upside pitchers available in the middle and later rounds. Overall, pitching looks like more of a crapshoot given the different ways teams are approaching their staff size and use. I’m also adding a few middle relievers that could end up with wins if starters are pulled early. For offense, I’m avoiding batting average sinkholes (think Joey Gallo) and looking for upside among the hitters on the better offensive teams.

Perry Van Hook (Mastersball, @): I agree with Brad and Ryan on making sure to ge the elite starters and better closers – you won’t have time to look for saves in bunches on the waiver wire. The one thing I don’t see here that I would target in any leagues yet to draft is multi-position players. You really want guys like Jeff McNeil, Max Muncy, and (if healthy) D.J. LeMahieu that you can move between MI and CI vacancies that will occur in this short season. Middle range and even lower range players (Luiz Arraez, Howie Kendrick, and Starlin Castro) who will be playing almost every day with that flexibility will really help your lineups.

Jason Collette (Rotowire, @jasoncollette): I don’t have any new drafts, but if I did, I would enter the teen rounds with a hoss SP and closer, then load up on second-man in relievers and high-skill relievers in the back half of the draft.

Anthony Aniano (Rotoballer, @AAnianoFantasy): Defintely, Drafts will focus on power and batting average with deemphasis on starting pitchers. In a 60 game season a SP will have at most 12 starts and most likely 10-11 starts which will mean about 70IP. A hitter will have a significant more impact just based on innings played. On this short a season, starting pitching can be successfully streamed if done properly.

Doug Dennis (BaseballHQ, @dougdennis41): Simplifying everything, because of the enormous error bar over 60 games. In a draft, it is imperative to get balance across the roster immediately, but I might be tempted to punt wins and strikeouts if there is no innings requirement. In an auction where trading is permitted, that is typically less important across 162, but this year it is more important early. I am going to use FAAB liberally and be prepared to buy whatever I need through trade or FAAB for each week until I run out. It feels possible to be out of the running in just 3 or 4 weeks, so getting that good start and adjusting from there is critical. If I hear that owners in my league are making closers a priority, I may go the opposite way. Just have to be very flexible.

Todd Zola (Mastersball, @toddzola): Lots of talk about getting a stud starter or two, a solid closer and productive bats. It all sounds good, and sometimes the draft falls in your lap perfectly, but it’s really hard to pull all three off. Of the three, I’m willing to play chicken with closer. I want a couple of foundation arms and steady bats so I can steer into the variance later in the draft. There’s also a bit of supply and demand involved. With so many wanting to avoid trawling for saves, I can fortify offense while others are taking supposed better closers, then I’ll have my pick of the crappy litter. Not to mention, I’ll be willing to spend a little more in FAAB and saves should be more bunched as some teams spread them out more.

Mike Podhorzer (Fangraphs, @MikePodhorzer): The smaller sample of games means more ratio category volatility. More volatility means I don’t want to pay as much for it. So focusing more on buying counting stats and paying less attention to ratios (AVG, ERA, WHIP) seems like the right strategic decision on draft/auction day.

James Anderson (Rotowire, @RealJRAnderson): Just thinking about it as a sprint vs. a marathon will naturally change your strategy a little bit. For instance, I don’t want Giancarlo Stanton or Aaron Judge at their current prices because I can’t afford to take a guy in the first five rounds who may be limited early in the season or may only play 4-5 days a week, especially early on. Plate appearances are now a stat I care about as much as any other stat for a hitter. Over 162 games, if you’re active and you’re smart, you’ll finish high in your league in PAs even if you are using a few part-time players. In a 60-game season, every owner in every serious league will be active for all or most of the season, so just being active isn’t enough of a leg up. There’s just no margin for error with regards to missed time. I also think closers/saves are as difficult as ever to navigate, because saves will be as spread out as ever, which makes the elite guys more valuable. On the flip side, there’s more landmine potential (in my opinion) with early closers, as one or two blowup outings (ratio damage), a couple missed weeks, or one positive coronavirus test makes it a bad pick. I don’t think there is a “right” way to navigate saves, I just know it’s stressing me out more than in a typical year.

Justin Mason (Friends with Fantasy Benefits, Fangraphs, Fantasy Alarm, @JustinMasonFWFB): Use this shortened season to use outside of the box strategies and practice pivoting versus other crazy draft strategies.

Eric Karabell (ESPN, @karabelleric): No major changes, but lean more on hitters over pitchers early, bypass batting average killers and later on be more willing to take a chance on a prospect that after one week is likely to get his shot and shine, like a Nate Pearson or Dylan Carlson.

Michael Florio (NFL Network, @MichaelFFlorio): This season is really going to be impossible to predict on many levels, so I am cutting out as much uncertainty as possible early on. I will take more proven, safe players and I am still emphasising elite starting pitchers in the earlier rounds. The way my strategy will be changing for the most part is I will be going after steals and closers more aggresively. Typically I try to draft a player or two who can steal 20+ bases and then add complilers who can give me 10-15 in 162 games. But with the reduced season and less time to try and find speed off of waivers, I have no problem rostering a speed speciliast. Also, with closers, the shortened season means less time to find closers off the waivers. That is why those high end closers, the one who have the ninth inning job locked down plus help ratios and strikeouts are so valuable. I will try to get 2-3 closers I trust and an elite middle relief arm or two. Avoid those backend closers that you only roster for cheap saves. In a 60 game season they could lose the job quickly, while blowing up your ratios.

Ryan Bloomfield (BaseballHQ, @RyanBHQ): Individual player evals will change, but at a macro level, I’m only making minor adjustments to my draft strategy. Like others here, I’m prioritizing at-bats and trying max out as many counting stats as possible on the hitter side (leagues WILL come down to an RBI here, SB there, etc.). Placing an emphasis on starters who are more apt to go deeper into games early in the season, and trying to get an established closer or two. There’s no time for minor league stashes or closers in waiting; those spots are much more valuable as roster depth this year.

Rick Wolf (Fantasy Alarm, @RickWolf1): You have to draft differently based on what is going on. There are so many things to consider here that you never had to. As I said on Colton & The Wolfman, you have to know which guys are more likely party or find lovin’ and who will be reading scripture. Need to know whose wife is expecting. You need to value Verlander, Ohtani and Clevinger higher as they are now over injury. You have to value guys who now will have no innings limits higher like Luzardo. You have to listen to the managers who are saying that they will be doing with pitching and their relievers. You have to understand the number of days to get their service time another year who may opt-out. Everything matters. You won’t get it all right, but why not try to make the best analysis of the situation for each player.

AJ Mass (ESPN, @AJMass): This season is a complete “dart throw” with way too many variables to even concern myself with a strategy. If anything, I’m going to have way more fun with the process, going well more with my gut and taking chances on the extremes — loading up with unproven rookies who may or may not get the call, as well as long-in-the-tooth veterans who may be seeing this 60-game stretch as a last hurrah.

Jeff Zimmerman (Fangraphs, The Process, @jeffwzimmerman): I’m more likely to de-emphasize a stat if the price is too high at the draft table. All the categories, especially counting, are going to to so bunched up I want to pull away as much as possible from the crowd in whatever categories I can. Also, I’m focusing on the early season scheulde and will draft players knowing I’ll drop them after the favorable matchup.

Andy Behrens (Yahoo! Fantasy Sports, @andybehrens): I’m trying to lean into the weirdness to a certain extent. Given the unusual circumstances for most starting pitchers this season, I’d say it’s overwhelmingly likely that a bunch of relievers are going to surface on the wins leaderboard. I think it’s entirely possible to construct a competitive fantasy pitching rotation this season that doesn’t involve any starters. If ever there was a year to attempt an extreme LIMA build, this might be it. I’d like to snag 3-4 sources for saves (including at least one elite option), then target various quality non-closing relievers (Castillo, Pomeranz, et al). That sort of build could play well in a mini-season like this, while allowing extra resources for hitting stats. Really, this is just a perfect year in which to try various odd strategies.

Zach Steinhorn (CreativeSports2, @zachsteinhorn): I’ve always favored hitting over pitching in the early rounds and in this shortened season, I’m even more convinced that deemphasizing starting pitching is the smarter route to take. I’m not going to pay for the elite starters as much of their value is tied to a combination of quality and quantity. With the quantity of innings limited and the quality of those innings less certain (even Gerrit Cole can have a so-so five-start stretch), I’d rather take more risk and invest in less pricey (but high-strikeout) starters with breakout potential. As for saves, it’s important to adequately address the category on draft day rather than depending heavily on the waiver wire. There will be less opportunities to stumble upon a reliable closer and the FAAB prices for potential saves will be a lot higher than in a normal season.

Ray Murphy (BaseballHQ, @RayHQ): I don’t have a stock answer here. ADPs are moving a lot since March (esp. closers), but I think the straight draft quandary is the same as it ever was: you’re going to come out of your first ~10 rounds short of something. Be intentional about what that is going to be (or be open to a couple of possiblities), and know how you want to address that in the back half. Maybe you decide current closer prices are ridiculous. Maybe you want to fish in the lower tier of SP. I think there’s a wide variety of strategies for the short season, and I’m not convinced any one of them is more right than the other. The key is to pick the path that you believe you can execute the best.

Charlie Wiegert (CDM Sports, @GFFantasySports): The value of starter other than perhaps the top 10, has gone down…and even DeGrom and Buehler have issues already. Starters will be limited their first few starts, and most will be lucky to get 12 starts. Strike outs will be down, and the chance for wins will be limited. So I’ll be drafting starters latter. Closers should still have value.

Steve Gardner (USAToday Fantasy Sports, @SteveAGardner): I’m making closers with especially high strikeout rates a priority like I never would in a normal season. I think we’ll high-leverage relievers used a lot — and they’ll help fantasy teams more in a short season because they can contribute in all five pitching categories. On offense, I’m looking for guys with particularly high upsides because those hot streaks could be a deciding factor. That said, in-season moves may be more important than ever in a short season.

Frank Stampfl (Fantasy Pros, @Roto_Frank): I agree with the sentiment of many others here that this season will be like no other. It will be wild and unpredictable. We’ll probably have somebody hit over .400 and a starting pitcher with sub-2.00 ERA. What’s changed most for me this season is putting an emphasis on high-volume stolen-base contributors and closers with job security. My plan in Roto has always been to chip away at steals with a bunch of guys who will contribute 10-15. In a 60-game season, we may only get 2-3 steals from said group of players. I’ve basically accepted I need to come out of a draft with one of Trea Turner, Adalberto Mondesi, or Mallex Smith. With Mallex, please have a plan for power beforehand. With saves, we know there is a lot of volatility. As a result, I’ve put more of an emphasis on closers I feel strongly about in terms of job security: Roberto Osuna, Kirby Yates, Kenley Jansen, Ken Giles, and Craig Kimbrel. Notice, I did not list Josh Hader.

Patrick Davitt (BaseballHQ, @patrickdavitt): I’m not drafting before the sprint season, but if I were I think I might be more willing than usual to try players with wider error bars. I might also look harder at setup guys and other non-closer relievers, on the basis that it might be a while before a lot of starters get to five innings consistently, and in the meantime the RPs could generate some good ratio foundations. That depends on your league’s innings minimums, of course. I might also lean towards teams with realistic hopes of playoff success, thinkinig that teams that are out of the running might start seeing players throwing in the towel and going home once the cause is lost (ie for BAL and MIA, July 27).

Mike Gianella (Baseball Prospectus, @MikeGianella): The one draft I’m doing is a shift from a keeper league 12-team AL-only auction to a 10-team AL-only draft so I’ve had to make a lot of adjustments. I’m more likely to focus on one or two pitchers early since pitching is thinner at the bottom in the AL and fill in later. I’m pushing harder for more relief arms because of the wins.

Scott Swanay (FantasyBaseballSherpa, @fantasy_sherpa): For leagues that haven’t drafted yet, I’ll be taking a look at how the standings have looked after ~60 games in recent years – that might give me a better idea of which categories to prioritize differently than I would in a regular-length season (i.e. – I’d give more weight to the categories that tend to be more tightly bunched earlier in the season than they are later in the season). Since injuries and COVID-related absences are going to make team-level success harder to predict than usual in a shorter season, I may also decide to put more weight on categories that are less team-dependent (e.g. – AVG, HR, K, ERA, WHIP)

Post Tout Wars Auction/Draft Write Ups 2020: Get Em Here.

Here are some links to what the Tout had to say about their teams.

AL: Colton/Wolf | Podhorzer | Gianella | Bloomfield/Dennis/Davitt (article) | Bloomfield/Dennis/Davitt (podcast) | Liss | Collette |
|Bender |

NL: Walton | Mason (live stream of auction) | Mason | Hertz (for BBhq members only) | Kreutzer | Albright | Cockcroft | Hertz (for everyone) | Gardner | Zola | Zinkie (podcast) |

Mixed Draft: Short | Ronis | Gamble | White |

Mixed Auction: Pisapia | Melchior (podcast w VanRiper) | VanRiper (podcast w Melchior) | Zimmerman | Karabell | Hershey | VanRiper (podcast with Kahn and Nando DiFino) | Sayre | Swanay | McCaffrey/Pianowski (podcast) | Zimmerman ($1 player analysis) | Pianowski | Steinhorn |

Draft and Hold: Stein | Hegglund| Sedler | Anderson/Harrison (podcast) |

Head to Head: Link | Chamberlain | Sporer/Pollack (podcast) | Mass |
Hallam | Kahn (podcast with VanRiper and Nando DiFino) | Behrens | Cohen Pt. 1 Cohen Pt. 2 |

Todd Zola Receives First Lawr Michaels Zen and Now Award

Note: 2020 brought an important new addition to Tout Wars weekend. While the presentation could not be held in person, Ron Shandler, representing the Tout Wars board, appeared on SiriusXM Fantasy Radio and delivered the following important message.

When we lost Lawr Michaels 15 months ago, we were looking for a way to honor his legacy. We thought the best way would be to present some type of award each year to the one Tout participant whose contributions to the league, and the industry, best reflected the values that Lawr instilled.

Lawr was called the Zen Master because of the way he conducted himself in fantasy drafts – in life, actually – and so we are calling this award the Lawr Michaels Zen and Now Award, which is a play on words he would have appreciated.

This could be considered the Tout Wars MVP and the winner was determined based on peer nomination.

Lawr Michaels Zen and Now Award

For demonstrating the most positive energy, providing the greatest contributions to the overall competitive experience, and inspiring others in the Tout Wars community and across the fantasy baseball industry.

Our first recipient is Todd Zola of Mastersball.com

Framed plaque presented to Todd Zola
Todd Zola

Like Lawr, Todd has been instrumental in molding Tout Wars from just a competition into a community. While Lawr was our emotional heart, I like to think of Todd as our functional heart, working hard to keep the blood flowing into every aspect of the competition and to every person in that community. He is about the hardest worker I know, he’s involved in everything, and he’s always there for you – and he’s a pretty funny guy too.

I can’t imagine a better inaugural recipient of this award than Todd. I think Lawr would have approved as well. Congratulations.

Tout Head 2 Head Coverage is Here, Chat and Draft Board

Follow the draft board here. The reserve rounds will be here.

No radio coverage of this one, but the transcript of the Derek VanRiper chat below.

[Mar 15, 2:45 PM] DerekVanRiper: Hello!
[Mar 15, 2:45 PM] DerekVanRiper: I had to prep some chicken for quinoa chicken soup…exciting times here at home in Madison.
[Mar 15, 2:50 PM] KingerThePW: What time is this draft supposed to start?
[Mar 15, 2:51 PM] DerekVanRiper: 3p ET
[Mar 15, 2:54 PM] DerekVanRiper: Very curious to see how the league adjusts to the scoring settings for today.
[Mar 15, 2:54 PM] rotoman: Hi Derek, I just gave you magical moderator powers, in case you need them.
[Mar 15, 2:54 PM] DerekVanRiper: Thanks, Peter!
[Mar 15, 2:54 PM] Chamberlain: it looks like fantrax successfully imported the scoring settings, or else the similarities are but a pleasant coincidence
[Mar 15, 2:55 PM] rotoman: You may see me here later, but I’m zonked from hearing the auction call some 280 times in the last five hours.
[Mar 15, 2:55 PM] DerekVanRiper: Totally understandable
[Mar 15, 2:56 PM] Guest7477: Very interested to see how a delayed season would affect pitcher adps
[Mar 15, 2:56 PM] rotoman: You heard it about 330 times yesterday afternoon. How did you stand it?
[Mar 15, 2:56 PM] DerekVanRiper: I played music over it during the Mixed Auction
[Mar 15, 2:57 PM] DerekVanRiper: I think the going once/going twice/sold audio in every auction room can lag a little anyway, so it doesn’t help me much.
[Mar 15, 2:57 PM] rotoman: The big thing with the pitchers is the guys injured now regain their standing, depending on when you expect the games to resume.
[Mar 15, 2:57 PM] rotoman: Very wise, Derek.
[Mar 15, 2:57 PM] Guest7477: i just wonder if the end pitch count for most big arms will be like 160 ip instead of 210+

Continue reading “Tout Head 2 Head Coverage is Here, Chat and Draft Board”

Tout NL Auction Chat and Draft Board Links here.

Click here to see the Draft Results. Here is the link to the Reserve Rounds on a Google Sheet.

SiriusXM covered the auction live on channel 619.

Ray Murphy’s chat transcript is below.

Justin Mason’s video blog is awesome. And hypnotic.

[Mar 15, 8:20 AM] Mgianella: Good morning.
[Mar 15, 8:42 AM] RayHQ: good morning gang!
[Mar 15, 8:43 AM] rotoman: Good morning Ray and Mike.
[Mar 15, 8:43 AM] Mgianella: nice to be done (well, until whenever my home league reconvenes)
[Mar 15, 8:54 AM] Guest7561: Good morning! Thanks for doing this. Any chance of a twitch tv stream like DVR did for the AL yesterday? It was great to be able to watch the bidding.
[Mar 15, 8:56 AM] RayHQ: I’m your host today and I’m not set up for that, sorry…
[Mar 15, 8:57 AM] Mgianella: Justin Mason is doing something on Twitter that includes a stream.

Continue reading “Tout NL Auction Chat and Draft Board Links here.”

Partying Down At Foley’s NY, Not Tonight.

There’s no prize money in Tout Wars. We tried that once and decided not to try it again. The league is about community, competition, bragging rights and getting your name on the Foley’s NY menu.

The cancellation of the 2020 Tout Weekend because of COVID-19 meant the cancellation of the Foley’s party that should have happened tonight. We hope the Touts in town visited Foley’s and partook of the Tout menu.

For those of us who didn’t, here is the highest honor a Tout Wars winner can get.

True story: Ian Kahn asked for the regular burger not only because that’s what he gets when he eats at Foley’s, but also because he thought that’s what the most people would order. He’s probably right.

Or visit Foley’s when you’re in NYC and prove him wrong.

Tout Mixed Auction chat and draft board links here.

Follow the draft grid here. The reserve rounds are on this Google Sheet.

SiriusXM is covering it on Channel 619.

And what follows is a transcript of the chat with Jason Collette.

[Mar 14, 2:50 PM] JasonCollette: I think it’s all set — back in my hotel now
[Mar 14, 3:02 PM] JasonCollette: Joel……are you ready?
[Mar 14, 3:03 PM] JasonCollette: I SAID, ARE YOU READY????!!!!!!!
[Mar 14, 3:04 PM] DVR: LOL
[Mar 14, 3:04 PM] DVR: I got my five minutes of backwards walking in, I’m ready!
[Mar 14, 3:05 PM] rotoman: Doesn’t look like Joel’s ready!
[Mar 14, 3:05 PM] JasonCollette: Peter — do I need admin access or anything or just chat in here?
[Mar 14, 3:05 PM] DVR: Counting on you, Joel!
[Mar 14, 3:05 PM] rotoman: You can just chat and that works fine for chatting.
[Mar 14, 3:06 PM] JasonCollette: but what if I want to block DVR?
[Mar 14, 3:06 PM] JasonCollette: I mean, that guy annoys me
[Mar 14, 3:06 PM] JasonCollette: wait – is this not private? Shit
[Mar 14, 3:06 PM] JasonCollette: 🙂

Continue reading “Tout Mixed Auction chat and draft board links here.”

Houston: Do we have a problem?

Welcome to this week’s Tout Table. May as well address the elephant in the room:

How are you handling Houston Astros players and any other player/team implicated in the sign-stealing scandal?

Brian Walton (CreativeSports2, @B_Walton): I will be a few dollars cautious on Houston hitters. We don’t know yet the psychological impacts of the scrutiny and the booing that is undoubtedly ahead. Obviously, they are all talented, but what is going on between the ears can affect some people more than others. Could there be a downward spiral if a Houston hitter has an uncharacteristically bad April? We know where the blame will be placed, rightly or wrongly.

Fred Zinkie (Yahoo! Fantasy Sports, @FredZinkieMLB): I agree with Brian — it is the psychological impact that has me worried. Players don’t grow up hoping to be Major Leaguers who are hated by the fans and rejected by their peers, but that is the place the Astros will be in this season. For me it’s more of a tie breaker. To draft an Astros hitter, I will need to have him valued clearly above of the remaining options. And with so many good hitters to choose from these days, I doubt that will ever be the case.

Scott Swanay (FantasyBaseballSherpa, @fantasy_sherpa): Making no changes whatsoever to their Hitter projections, not even increasing their HBP (I imagine MLB would step in immediately w/ heavy deterrents if there’s even an inkling of premeditated payback early in the season). I would look at it as a buying opportunity if fellow bidders consciously or subconsciously lowered their bids on Astros hitters by a few dollars – Astros will almost undoubtedly still be a top 5 offense this coming season.

Doug Dennis (BaseballHQ, @dougdennis41): I can see it having some effect for some players. I have no idea how to quantify it. So I am not doing anything about it and will remind myself that plenty of others will overdo their own bias in this regard.

Phil Hertz (BaseballHQ, @prhz50): I am ever so slightly discounting my values for Astro players, but rotisserie is about having fun so in other than my expert leagues I’m avoiding Astro players, unless at a nice discount, so I don’t find myself rooting for them.

Rob Leibowitz (Rotoheaven, @rob_leibowitz): I am not going to allow it to affect my bidding or projections at all. I can compartmentalize my fandom from my fantasy team and will still purchase the best fits for my team regardless of their past transgressions. Home/road splits for 2019 shown in many cases that Astros players performed at a higher level or had a negligible impact away from home to boot.

Zach Steinhorn (CreativeSports2, @zachsteinhorn): While I won’t be completely steering clear of Astros players, if I’m deciding between an Astro and a similarly ranked player at a certain position (let’s say Bregman and Arenado), I’ll probably go with the non-Astro. Dealing with the ramifications of the scandal without letting it negatively affect on-field performance will be very challenging and as a fantasy owner, I’d rather avoid the situation if possible.

Todd Zola (Mastersball, @toddzola): I was reticent to adjust, but when you treat projections as a weighted average of plausible outcomes, everything that has happened must dampen expectations a little. If for nothing else, Astros players could get a couple extra days off. The truth is, however, I won’t know for sure what I’ll do as a drafter until under the gun and needing to make a pick in a snake or still bid in an auction. That will be the true test. These are words, I’ll know what my actions will be soon enough.

Michael Beller (Sports Illustrated, @MBeller): Giving weight to anything unquantifiable may be treated as heretical in the fantasy community at large, but I’m willing to risk apostasy on this one. Unless they come at an extreme discount, which they won’t, I won’t be within 1,000 feet of an Astro this season. The psychological toll will be real, and there’s no telling how each individual player will handle it. Additionally, you’d have to be willfully ignorant to suggest that they did not benefit from knowing what pitch type was coming. Much like andro didn’t singlehandedly turn Mark McGwire from a slap hitter into the league’s foremost slugger, trash-can shenanigans didn’t transform Jose Altuve into an MVP from a utility infielder, or Alex Bregman into an All-Star from an also-ran. Still, we know it helped, and we can’t say with any degree of certainty just how much it did so. Finally, I am in total agreement with Phil Hertz. I play fantasy baseball first and foremost because it’s fun. It won’t be any fun rooting for the Astros, who have earned every bit of their villainy. They’re all but off my draft board.

Charlie Wiegert (CDM Sports, @GFFantasySports): I’m downgrading most of the hitters approximately 10%. My biggest fear is the distraction it is going to be, and let’s face it, these guys will be effected by it. In every city they visit, the fans will be on them. And I’m not sure how much support they’ll even get at home. They know what they did was wrong, and that will always be in the back of their minds. More people will root against them than for them. While I’m not going so far as too say I won’t draft any of the, buy if a close to equal player is there, I’ll take the mom Astro first!

Mike Podhorzer (Fangraphs, @MikePodhorzer): I’m doing nothing. I haven’t made any changes to any player projections and don’t intend to do so. You could argue that players deserve a downgrade for a myriad of reasons and potential factors that might affect their play. But I don’t change my projections on speculation as you have no idea how any particular player is going to react to a certain set of circumstances. Some might rise above it and prove the cheating didn’t help them, while others might wilt as they can’t deal with all the drama. Trying to guess who will experience what is a fool’s errand.

Frank Stampfl (Fantasy Pros, @Roto_Frank): While we can’t quantify the mental toll that all of this will take on the Houston Astros, it is undeniably something they will have to deal with. For the most part, I haven’t downgraded their players much but Rob Silver recently brought up a great point on Twitter regarding an increased injury risk due to hit by pitches. And then of course, Carlos Correa already was an injury risk. I think there were enough reasons to already be skeptical of many of their hitters (Altuve’s random power surge with the juiced ball, Gurriel’s launch angle, Tucker’s playing time) outside of Alex Bregman and Michael Brantley who remain steady as they come.

Patrick Davitt (BaseballHQ, @patrickdavitt): I’m putting “Astro risk” into the category of a negative tiebreaker when deciding between similar players. The post-shenanigans fallout creates a package of modest risk, for reasons outlined above. I ‘m interested in the “I don’t want to have to root for a player I don’t like,” and that’s sure a part of the equation as well. But if Altuve or Bregman falls to Round 7, I’ll be tempted.

Ron Shandler (RonShandler.com, @RonShandler): For every player, the Broad Assessment Balance Sheet (BABS) system separates skill from risk. On the assets side, I am making no adjustments because presumably these players haven’t lost any skill, and the cheating advantages are neither quantifiable nor proven to be significant enough to even matter. On the liabilities side of the ledger, I’m adding a risk element that will count against my risk budget. So, if my budget allows for, let’s say, five players with major risk factors, then rostering an Alex Bregman will get me one step closer to that limit. In the end, I think it’s more of a roster construction issue than a valuation issue.

Todd Zola (Mastersball, @toddzola): FWIW, I think Ron’s last point hits the nail on the head.

Glenn Colton (Fantasy Alarm, @GlennColton1): Ok, I admit it – as a Yankee fan, it is hard for me to be objective about the Astros cheating. That said, I fall back on the Rules of Engagement Rick Wolf and I use to try and avoid unnecessary risk. Players are human and I think the Astros will struggle with having to answer questions every day all year, may be a little more uncomfortable in the box knowing they will get plunked more often, etc. Will Bregman and crew be valuable, sure but the risk of paying 30 and getting 22-25 is too great for me. Plus, fantasy baseball is supposed to be fun and there is just no way I can root for Jose Altuve and his supposed bad tattoo. Bottom line — I am bargain hunting only on the Houston Asterisks.

Tim McCullough (Baseball Prospectus, @TimsTenz): The short answer is – I’m not – as in, I’m not changing my rankings/projections for anyone connected to the scandal. Despite some (dubious) research that links some of the players to modest gains at the plate during the “Trash can era” there is just as much evidence IMO that there were little or no gains in production. As Ron said above, their skills didn’t change, so there’s no reason to adjust the numbers. However, I also agree with several of the Touts that there is almost certainly some blowback coming psychologically since they’ve drawn the scorn of their peers, the fans and whatever nut jobs that are sending death threats. I’m taking Astros hitters that fall too far to resist or come cheaply at the draft table.

Mike Gianella (Baseball Prospectus, @MikeGianella): I’m not making any statistical adjustment. It’s difficult to measure what the impact of the cheating was and while I could see Astros hitters losing a little, it seems like more of a marginal adjustment. If I’m drafting and two players are close or tied in my ranking I might to with the non-Astro. But I suspect I’m going to have plenty of Astros in drafts if others are pushing them down 10-15 picks.

Jeff Zimmerman (Fangraphs, The Process, @jeffwzimmerman): I’m just using it as a tie breaker in a draft. Do we dock the Reds for putting up with Trevor Bauer? I find there are more important factors to consider with everyone rested and trying to implement changes.

Larry Schechter (Winning Fantasy Baseball, @LarrySchechter): I haven’t changed any values, but as several others have said, I would avoid Astros if it’s a close call. If I end up with Astros on my teams, I will–as Rob Leibowitz put it very well–compartmentalize reality vs fantasy. For the sake of my fantasy teams, I’ll forget that I’d like all Astros players to suck this year and root for my guys.